The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly of UVa’s Transgender Movement

by James A. Bacon

I learned a lot about transgender activists and advocates at the Abigail Shrier event at the University of Virginia last night. Some are bitter, angry people who hurl non-stop invective. Some are close-minded but willing to engage in rational conversation. But at least one is courteous, friendly and willing to engage in a thoughtful, one-on-one exchange. I look forward to having lunch with her next week.

Shrier, the author of “”Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters,” was herself polite, charming and attentive. Even as more than 100 protesters were chanting and demonstrating outside Minor Hall, she remained unflappable inside the auditorium under questioning that ranged from skeptical to hostile.

Shrier is the object of venom in the transgender community because her book dared to ask questions that many do not want to be asked. While acknowledging the gender dysphoria is real and those who suffer from it deserve compassion, she argues that much of the transgender “craze” is a social contagion mainly affecting teenage girls, that “affirmative” treatment such as testosterone shots and top surgery are fraught with ill-understood risks and dangers, and that a legion of affirming educators, counselors, and even medical doctors have abandoned science in favor of ideology. She elaborated on those themes in a Q&A session hosted by the Jefferson Council in partnership with the Young Americans for Freedom and the Common Sense Society.

The mission of the Jefferson Council is to encourage civil dialogue and debate, so we were happy to let the audience participate. Interlocutors raised legitimate questions about Shrier’s methodology as a journalist and her ability as a non-scientist to interpret scientific studies. They cited academic studies supporting their positions and asked her to respond. She answered every question forthrightly, citing her own sources and studies. If you were inclined to oppose her to begin with, you likely would not have found her persuasive. If you were inclined to agree with her — as most of the audience was — you likely would have been impressed. No minds were changed, but at least the exchange was civil and the underlying supposition was that facts matter.

The demonstrators outside were a different story. They had no interest in the facts. Without benefit of knowing anything about Shrier other than what they had heard from their own tendentious sources, they described her as a bigot and hater, and they engaged in fact-free, intellect-free chants. The demonstrators live in a bubble in which no one has ever de-transitioned, in which no one has ever regretted life-altering hormone treatment and surgery, and in which ideology has never infected scientific inquiry. They live in a world in which the only conceivable reason that anyone would question their orthodoxy is that they are consumed with hatred.

Ironically, the evidence would suggest that many of the demonstrators are themselves consumed with anger and hate. They taunted and castigated anyone who had the temerity to run the gauntlet past the demonstration to attend the event.

A few demonstrators lingered by the entrance after the main rally had dissipated. As two companions and I walked from Minor Hall to the parking deck, a bedraggled group of seven or eight followed us, crying shame, shame! How could we live with ourselves? We were terrible people — our grandchildren would disown us! We were not welcome on the Grounds, we should go home, and we never come back! Quickly perceiving that there was nothing to be gained by responding to their invective, we did our best not to engage them. The demonstrators had other ideas. A couple of them had their smart phones out as they tagged behind us all the way to the parking deck, presumably ready to record any interactions. One protester accused one of us of brushing against him (forgive me for not knowing the proper pronoun) and cried out, “That’s assault!”

Although they knew nothing about what we think or why we think it, the band of transgenders made no effort to conceal their hatred of us. By their appearance and manner, they struck me as pathetic, inadequate people who undoubtedly had encountered rejection in their lives. I was tempted to say, “Yes, society probably is biased against you — but not because you’re transgender. They’re biased because you are angry, confrontational jerks. No one wants to be around you.” But I held my tongue.

The most uplifting encounter of the evening occurred when a faculty member, with whom I had exchanged emails the day before, introduced herself. I do not reveal her identity because she has not given me permission to do so and I don’t wish her to encounter blowback from “consorting with the enemy,” but I do want to quote some of her words because I agree with them:

While “constructive disagreement” is a key aspect of open inquiry, in my experience it’s most constructive when it’s part of a meaningful dialogue between two individuals who seek to understand one another’s perspectives. A public talk isn’t the best venue for deeper conversations to take place – all too often, Q&A sessions look more like fencing bouts than attempts to understand one another. While I think Shrier’s research methods lack the rigor needed to support her conclusions, I support her right to share her work tomorrow night without disruption.

I do think it’s important to invite speakers like Shrier to UVa to expose students and members of the Charlottesville community perspectives they would never hear otherwise. The Q&A fulfilled that goal. But the interaction with the audience did not lead to much mutual understanding. I look forward to engaging in a meaningful dialogue with someone who is willing to do the same.

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juanita
juanita
6 months ago

Precisely why we chose to miss this speech-the intransigence of the trans “community” (hardly a community). The assault on biology and fact is palpable in this issue, which of course should be “debated.” Individual conversations are indeed helpful, but there are clearly bullies trying to prevent civil discourse on this issue. I appreciate the Jefferson Council for working hard to fight for free speech. There are SO many issues that are not “allowed” to be discussed these days, so bravo for taking it on. Brain health is a critical issue that needs to be delved into deeply, all the way back to gestation and early trauma; such a discussion would enlighten many conversations if we were only courageous enough to have them.

Kurt Elward
Kurt Elward
6 months ago

Very good summary. As a physician it is evident that the “evidence” behind the Transgender data is weak at best and contrived at worst. Many academic’s budding careers depend on this and they drive the agenda with carefully worded “political science”.

Having reviewed the data myself and the European studies which have resulted in many countries backing away from adolescent TG treatments, the “evidence” for these procedures is truly problematic. Moreover, there is nothing scientific about telling someone who doubts “who they are” and feels inadequate that “Yes, your body is a problem, and here’s some medicine/surgery to ‘fix” you.” The knowledge that their outward appearance has had to be drastically and permanently altered to fit their view of reality is ultimately denigrating to their esteem.

This does in fact stem from a tendency to medicalize as much of everything we can, instead of looking for the deeper issues and societal dynamics that drive feeling/conditions. As proponents “medicalize” they can try to put a white hat on their agenda – yet not solve the larger issues.

Finally, this seems truly a “first world” problem. Thousands and thousands of dollars spent over and over in rich countries, despite the resources that are needed in so many areas such as diabetes prevention, vaccination and maternal health. Particularly in Medicaid, with its confined budgets, money is routed away from people and programs for which the evidence of benefit is far stronger, to procedures that are unproven and create an ongoing medicalization of people’s lives, Is that “equitable” or “just”?

James B Newman
James B Newman
6 months ago

Bravo to the Jefferson Council for bringing Abigail Shrier to speak on grounds. I very much enjoyed her comments and believe she is making a real difference.

Alice
Alice
6 months ago

Do you have a link to the live stream that isn’t private? I’ve heard conflicting stories and would like to judge for myself.

Alice
Alice
6 months ago
Reply to  jimbacon1953

Hmm, I wonder why. Well, it’s a shame, but thank you for the response though.

walter smith
walter smith
6 months ago
Reply to  Alice

Because she is no fool and wants to live!
She is incredibly brave. I would guess there were between 100-200 protesters, who even tried to intimidate attendees after the event (that they did not listen to and tried to sabotage).

Clarity77
Clarity77
6 months ago

Thank you Mr. Bacon and the TJC for sponsoring this event. Having attended numerous on Grounds events in my retirement I was particularly struck as to how well this event was presented and carried out. Especially given the very controversial topic. Frankly, it motivated me to donate more than I ever have to the TJC. The clear demonstrated intent to provide an example for the University community as to how Jefferson originally envisioned such in contrast to what is officially carried out present day on the part of the current administration and faculty and various entities like the Karsh Institute, Miller Center, etc. Well done TJC! Interestingly, coincident with this event I had to laugh when I received another invitation for a personal lunch meeting with a member of the UVA Foundation.
FWIW, the protesters epitomize the end point result of UVA having fostered victimhood by way of gender hustling. Why not as race hustling has worked out so well. Freud and Jung recognized the victim archetype as being the very lowest as there is no self responsibility. No self responsibility even to the point of self loathing. No ability to reason. Lost. That our University would be present day promoting what amounts to the mental abuse of innocent and unsuspecting students is unconscionable and indefensible.
Mr. Bacon, as to the faculty member’s input, yes very interesting but the Karsh Institute has already gone down that road of a “meaningful dialogue between two individuals” in their One Small Step program. I personally participated in it but found that after numerous sessions I could see no real concrete result of anything being accomplished. IMO a waste of time and money. This is nothing new as to the human condition, but there is always hope based in a fearless Jeffersonian approach to truth. As to the gender insanity I believe enlightenment will come by way in part of one of those very hate filled gender activists having reached a damascene moment. Time will tell.
In the meantime, keep up the good work TJC!

taruva76
taruva76
6 months ago

I was one of Jim Bacon’s companions on the walk back to the Newcomb Hall parking garage and can attest to the treatment we were subjected to by the group of protesters. As Jim mentioned, they did not know us, but were perfectly willing to spew hatred and vitriol. How incredibly hypocritical, in view of the many slogans they were writing in chalk on the sidewalks about how Hate does not belong at UVA.

I was one of (I suspect) a vast number of folks whose opinions of LBGTQ and Trans issues is one ranging from mild support to casual indifference. Essentially, live and let live. I am no longer in that group because I have personal involvement with a family member who is a member of the LGBTQ community, and a good friend who’s child has gone through gender changing treatment. These personal experiences have made me far more aware of the issues impacting the LGBTQ and Trans community.These protesters didn’t know this. They saw us as evil “haters” merely because we wanted to listen to the “Enemy” and her (according to their narrative, which brooks no challenges to the absolute truth of their beliefs) “Lies.” I wonder how many of them have actually read anything Abigail Shrier has written? But I digress…

My experience with the protesters on Wednesday generated emotions mostly of sorrow, that many within our younger population are so filled with hate and so willing to make instant judgments of people whom they know absolutely nothing about, immediately assuming they were horrible people merely because they were male, white and older. Our “crime” was a desire to learn more on a subject that is capturing such a large percentage of the public discourse today.

The folks who believe those who express differing viewpoints, or who challenge their orthodoxy, are facists, and then spew forth hate filled and profane invective based on uninformed perception, do not need to look very far to see the appropriate people who actively practice the intolerance they so vociferously claim to dislike. I’m sure they have a mirror at home.

Mr. Jefferson’s eloquence regarding being unafraid to seek the truth, wherever it may lead, nor tolerate any error, so long as reason is left free to combat it, is completely lost on these so called “progressives” who are anything but.